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Re: Advice on large submissions for 3D graphics/computing students

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by Marcus Green.  

Hi Tim,

It doesn't sound cheap at all, another one of the issues is that processing of a large file submission can result in a performance bottleneck and the possibility of timeouts during uploads which is not good.

I was faced with this with issue with Multimedia student at a previous employer and it was resolved with a third party repository that had a Moodle plugin (something a bit like eStream I suspect). There could be a more generic external repository that would help. 

I work for Moodle Partner Titus Learning in Salts Mill, Saltaire  and I suspect I could see where you are working if it wasn't for the houses in between.


a feature that everyone needs.

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by MoodleMeow ..  

is there any feature available by default to send automated emails to students if they have not submitted their assignments by the due date? and how?

Moodle 3.5
Thanks



Partial grading

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by sonal gupta.  

I am using rubrics to grade an assignment and have selected levels for few criterions.

I want to save the grading done so far and complete rest later.

It keeps showing me the error "Please choose something for each criterion"


Can I set a default value for each criterion while creating the rubric so that I can save partial grading of a single assignment.

If not, then what is the use of marking workflow options?

Re: a feature that everyone needs.

Re: Review Panel not showing up in grading assignment after 3.5.1 upgrade

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by J Baumgartner.  

Sarah, we are experiencing the same issue in our upgraded 3.5.1 system, and your fix seems to work for us, also.

Thanks for sharing!

Weights in marking guide

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by sonal gupta.  

Hello

I am defining a marking guide in which my each criterion has some weight. I want to grade all criterion out of 10 but finally some criterion will weigh double than the other to make the total grade in that particular assignment.

How to do this? I do not find a way to add weights to criterion.

Re: Get e-Mail notification for "remind me to grade by" date?

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by Hittesh Ahuja.  

I think this would be very desirable. It should'nt be more than a couple of lines to code this ( perhaps a new scheduled task to make this possible?) . Alternatively once could also install the following Email reminder plugin that integrates with the calendar. https://moodle.org/plugins/local_reminders 


Any thoughts ? 


Hittesh

Students Cannot see Comments Added to Submitted/Graded Google Docs

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by John Wickenhaeuser.  

We just completed a O2Auth and moodle repository integration with our new 3.5 install and in testing to do teacher training, we discovered that though students can submit google docs from their drive, and teachers can access and edit and comment insert comments into those docs, but students cannot see the comments because the docs are "returned" to them as view only.  Apparently view only, does not mean view inline comments...


This feature is almost a game changer for us, but without the ability for students to see teacher's comments inline with the google doc, 


Has anyone figured out a way around or thru this limitation?


Re: Students Cannot see Comments Added to Submitted/Graded Google Docs

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by Mary Cooch.  

Yes this is unfortunately the case currently. Teachers can edit the doc and write comments within the student's doc but any comments added in the normal way are not visible. Please see and vote for https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-58831

Re: Students Cannot see Comments Added to Submitted/Graded Google Docs

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by John Wickenhaeuser.  

Thank you for the quick reply.  I have voted and commented on the tracker.

Re: Weights in marking guide

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by Emma Richardson.  

I don't think you can other than just making them out of different amounts.

Re: Weights in marking guide

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by AL Rachels.  

You cannot do you want with all criteria set to 10. If you want a criteria to be weighted double that of the others, then give it twice as much Maximum score. For example, let's say I have three criteria and I want #3 to be weighted double that of #1 and #2. I can set the Maximum score for #1 and #2 to be 10. Then I set the Maximum score for #3 to be 20. For the assignment I set the Grade to Type > Point and the Maximum grade to 100. When you grade a student the three criteria scores will be scaled as a percentage of the 100 point maximum for the activity. Use the same priciple for any number of criteria and keep the assignment grade set to 100.

So, it is like Emma says, make them out to different amounts.

Re: Shared host - can't install ghostscript or unoconv

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by David Smith.  

Hi Joost,

Many thanks for that - I think it might be the option I pursue.

Kind regards,

David

Re: Group submissions when changing groups

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by Tim Schroeder.  

This is a general problem with the assignment module which either wasn't considered when the module was designed or it was deferred as there do exist workarounds. But as Harald says we can't use these workarounds. In my opinion this is a bug and should be fixed in the core. Would anything speak against that?

The problem is this: For each group submission the groupid is stored. If the submissions are graded, then a student switches from one group to another and then his grade is changed again, Moodle checks which group he's currently in, who else is currently in his group and updates the grade for all of them. Instead we'd need to have separate DB tables like "assign_submission_groups" and "assign_submission_groups_members" where we would store group info and group membership at the time of submission. It could look like this:

assign_submission_groups
idassignmentidnumbernamedescriptiondescriptionformatpicturehidepicture
11g1Group 1100
21g2Group 2100
31g3Group 3100
42g1Group 1100
52g2Group 2100

assign_submission_groups_members

idassignsubmissiongroupiduserid
112
213
316
4111
524
627
728
8210
931
1035
1139
1242
1343
1449
15410
1655
1757
1858
19511


In this example you groups of (up to) four. For the first assignment you have 11 students (IDs 1 through 11) in 3 groups. After that assignment the group compositions change: Students 1, 4 and 6 drop out. The remaining two students of group 3 move to groups 1 and 2. Student 10 doesn't like it in group 1 so he asks group 2 if one of them wants to switch places with him. Student 11 agrees and they switch places. Later they hand in their submissions for the second assignment.

The DB table "assign_submission" would then no longer have a column "groupid" which refers to the "groups" table but an "assignsubmissiongroupid" column that refers to the new "assign_submission_groups" table.

I haven't looked at the PHP code yet, so can't say how much would need to be changed there to make it work.

Would something like this be an okay solution? Am I missing something?

Edit: The group info (name etc.) stored in the new table wouldn't be updated if you change the group info after the assignment. This might cause confusion, possibly. But a) I'm not sure most people would even want the group names in old submissions "updated" and b) even so it's still better than unintentionally changing student's grades (and not noticing it!).

Re: List only one submission per group (Moodle 3.3) + sorting per group

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by Richard van Iwaarden.  

Did anyone ever find a solution for this?

@Eric, did you create a tracker for this?


Re: Group submissions when changing groups

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by Emma Richardson.  

Isn't that what groupings are for?  The grouping should just be changed for the second assignment.

The problem with your suggestion is what if you want the student to get the grade for the second group?

Re: Shared host - can't install ghostscript or unoconv

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by David Smith.  

OK, I have set up OAuth2 via Google and it seems to be working (passes the test). 

I still have no joy when I open the grading window for uploaded assignments which are either in docx or pdf format.


I have disabled unoconv as a document converter as I don't think LibreOffice is on the server.

Ghostscript is installed but when I test its path, I get the attached error.

When I try grading an uploaded assignment, I get an alert which says:

Cannot open the PDF. The file may be corrupt, or in an unsupported format.


Any ideas what may be wrong? My host thinks that ghostscript is on the server (v 9.07).

I know that a while back I tested the annotation tool on uploaded pdfs and it was fine (an older version of Moodle on a different web host).


David

Re: Group submissions when changing groups

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by Harald Jakobs.  

Hi Emma,

I've already explained in the post before Tim's that groupings might be used but you would have to create completely new groups for each assignment. Let's assume a teacher is willing to go this extra step. In our case usually the students choose themselves who they want to work with. So they choose the group. As Moodle core doesn't offer this you have to use a plugin like groupchoice. So in addition to the teacher having to create new groups and do the grouping again (I'm talking about courses with several hundreds of people and a large number of groups accordingly) he has to create a new activity groupchoice. Then the students have to choose a new group although most of them will keep the group members they already worked with. This is osmething our students have already been complaining about in the past so we changed that with our current system which is not Moodle. So, the teacher has to make sure that the group choice activity expires before the next assignment starts. That's already complicated as usually with weekly assignments the deadline of the first assignment ends with the publication of the next assignment. So you have to find space for doing the groupchoice and have to make sure that really all the students have chosen their group before the assigment starts. And I'm still talking about several hundred students here. You have to make sure that the groupchoice has been done before the assignment starts as it is not possible to be in no group or more than one group with group solutions. In both cases a student doensn't hand in a solution for a special group but for a mysterious standard group the teacher has never seen before. In this standard group there are all the students that have more than one group or no group. If a student creates a solution for this standard group he hands in a soluton for other people without even knowing it. If students have not chosen a new group in time (and you know how students are) the teacher has to put in extra time and manual work to put them into groups.

This is the result of my tests. Maybe I oversaw an easier solution but doing all this work will be very complicated for teachers that have far less time to spend on learning to understand Moodle than I do. That's the problem I see here.

About the second thing that you mention: If student X works in group A for assignment 1 he should get the grade for that solution. If he changes to group B for assignment 2, why should he get the grade of that group for assignment 1? He didn't work with that group and their solution at the time of deadline. What if group B gets a weaker grade than group A for assignment 1? Then the student would complain, and rightfully in my view.

What would be your scenario where it would make sense? That's what I tried to find out but couldn't so far.


Best regards and thanks for your answers!

Harald

Re: Group submissions when changing groups

Re: Group submissions when changing groups

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by Emma Richardson.  

That makes sense. But, I think the problem is that whatever solution is found has to take care of all scenarios.  What if assignments overlap and students start jumping back and forth between groups.  How is Moodle meant to know where that student's grade comes from for each assignment?  Hence groupings...not the easiest way, I know, but I cannot think of a better way to be sure that student gets the correct grade without locking down the flexibility that is available now.  You cannot use the assignment due date because some courses do not have due dates.  You could say they get the grade for whatever group they were a member of on the day of submission but what if they have already switched?  Or what if the group is allowed to resubmit later and the member has moved groups?  So many scenarios where your proposal does not work...

I am not disagreeing with you that teachers need an easier way, I just have not figured out how to make it work...I wish you luck in finding something that will!

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